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Re: Top 5 04 girls teams

Post by archer on Thu Oct 02, 2014 2:18 am

As a parent of older daughter at TSC soccerschmuck is correct. The one side goes to TSC and the other always goes to OFC. it has been that way for a long time. I hear what you are saying SLSC04 but remember the girls you are talking about are 11 as well and at selections they may be a late 13. two years away may have seemed like a huge gap when the girls were 5 years old playing 6 years old but the older they get the gap is much smaller. Just trying to help. IMO position your kid to have the best chance at 14 by what you do at a younger age. Either the kid has a shot or not. At this age what could you do in 2 years to really change the player so much that they would make a top team in state except position the player at the club they will go to eventually now. If I were down there I would take her to OFC now.

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Post by archer on Thu Oct 02, 2014 2:28 am

We need some good competition when we come down there at U14 as well. Love to see good teams compete. Win / Lose just love good competition.

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Re: Top 5 04 girls teams

Post by archer on Thu Oct 02, 2014 2:35 am

Now as for Winters show them some Tulsa soccer

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Post by bird04 on Thu Oct 02, 2014 2:45 am

Have to agree with soccerschmuck and archer. There are always exceptions to the rule, of course (for instance, 99 girls from Blitz became the actual TSC ECNL team, for instance. I've heard the same about the 98's, but not that sure that that's the case as I don't know the age group that well, and the 2000 Umelo Blitz team much better than the TSC ECNL 2000 team, IMO...will see how that situation shakes out, could be wrong on that one. But overall, TSC and OFC will act as magnets as your daughter progresses through the age groups with her peers. Don't necessarily know if this is good or bad, but it seems to be the case overall.

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Post by Worst Case Soccer Parent on Thu Oct 02, 2014 3:05 am

I must be a naive SLSC parent. I hear no talk of eventually getting the kids to OFC. (Of course may be my kid isnt recruit worthy)

Is that a reality or just OFC bluster? I see a lot of older SLSC teams being very competitive so that would mean to me that there couldnt have been a mass exodus to OFC.


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Re: Top 5 04 girls teams

Post by cosmos04 on Thu Oct 02, 2014 10:28 am

Yes slsc 02's are one of the tip teams in the state I believe they one opl the year before last. The 04 coach and the 02 coach have very similar coaching styles witch I like very much. I'm pretty sure that my daughter couldplay for any team in the state but right now she is where she needs to be for developmental reasons. We might not win right now but the direction we are going we will be great by spring.

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Re: Top 5 04 girls teams

Post by soccerschmuck on Thu Oct 02, 2014 11:55 am

Look I am not singing the praises of any club nor am I trying to talk bad about any club. This is just the way it is. Good or bad but it is reality. From U14 maybe even U13 and up (girls) TSC or OFC will always win almost all State titles and that is what you play for. Win state go to regionals. I am just throwingn out my advice from lessons learned. Will almost guarantee it will be the same with the 04 age group within 2-3 years so your daughter (if first team level) will be better served making the switch to TSC of OFC next year. I know people dont like hearing that and I didnt either a few years ago but it is just the way it is.

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Re: Top 5 04 girls teams

Post by ousoccer on Thu Oct 02, 2014 1:16 pm

I agree, it doesn't matter as much at younger ages but as kids get older the top kids all migrate to one club. Mainly for college exposure purposes. History shows its TSC and OFC. Look at the state championship breakdown. Does anybody know how many state championships Southlakes has won and what age groups?

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Post by soccerschmuck on Thu Oct 02, 2014 1:43 pm

In the last two years out of 16(?) 11v11 State titles only two have been won by a club other than TSC or OFC, I think. None last year for sure. Ever since the clubs starting merging and the ECNL, things have changed. Not saying it is good or bad but reality. To play at the highest level against the best competition in the country your daughter will need to be at either TSC or OFC. I will even carry this one step further. If OFC does not get accepted to ECNL this year, I believe the top girls there should go to TSC for maximum exposure and to compete at highest level. Look if your daughter wants to be the best she can be and play at a high level past high school, she needs to be playing on the best teams and playing the best competition. She will improve faster and get seen a lot more. I have learned this lesson and for that matter still learning as the soccer landscape keeps changing.

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Post by Worst Case Soccer Parent on Thu Oct 02, 2014 2:17 pm

Interesting data....

Soccerschmuck what is the breakdown of those 16 by Tulsa and OFC? If you happen to know off hand.

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Re: Top 5 04 girls teams

Post by soccerschmuck on Thu Oct 02, 2014 2:33 pm

I do not for sure but let me preface this by saying from U14 up it is only TSC 2nd team at state. 1st team playing ECNL. Last year OFC won every age U13 and up with TSC taking U11 and U12. The year before it was split more evenly between TSC and OFC (I think).

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Re: Top 5 04 girls teams

Post by sooner5 on Thu Oct 02, 2014 2:46 pm

So how does TSC fair in the ECNL?

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Re: Top 5 04 girls teams

Post by soccerschmuck on Thu Oct 02, 2014 3:03 pm

I guess it would depend on ones perspective or expectations.
If your talking win/loss record they have faired OK.
But if your talking about winning ECNL events (tournaments) or making the playoffs, it has not went as well as hoped. The Texas Conference of ECNL may be the toughest in the country, so wins are not easy to come by. I would say TSC teams are competitive at most ages but overall are not in the upper tier.

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Re: Top 5 04 girls teams

Post by ENERGYFC04 on Thu Oct 02, 2014 3:16 pm

Times change. Has OFC (and TSC since forming I think in 2011) historically been the best teams in the state? Yes. Is that changing? Yes. It’s all about development when contrasted with numbers. TSC and OFC have always had the numbers and before the 01s you could expect the best players to wind up at OFC or Norman on the Westside of the state. However, look past the numbers starting with the 01s and you might see a trend. I’ll speak solely about SLSC since I’m more knowledgeable there.

The SLSC 01s are the first girls go through a full academy program at SLSC. Even if I don’t agree with their initial coach they learned the basics. At U12 they were a state cup semifinalist losing to champion OFC. At U13 they were a state finalist losing to OFC. Doesn’t seem TSC was in the equation.

SLSC 02s. U11 president’s cup served as a state cup with all the top 02 teams that played 11 v 11 there. They lost in semifinals last year and frankly didn’t play up to their ability. They were a semifinalist at Plano this year losing to the Number 1 team out of Florida who won the tournament. No one on here can argue that SLSC is not as good as any 02 team in the state.

SLSC 03 – they were a state cup semifinalist last year. They have a struggled at bit though and in part because two of their players play on the 02 team and possibly because there are other issues.

SLSC 04 – In the end (they are still developing and have not played near the 11 v 11 the east side of state has) I suspect they will be a top 3 team in the state if they stay together.

SLSC 05 – not too good. Variety of reasons there.

SLSC 06 – top 2 team in state right now. Very good age group.

So the trend is SLSC on the girls side (haven’t paid attention to the boys except I know the 01 boys are very good) is historically top 3 team in the state. The trend has also been that the teams have not been losing players. This has hurt OFC a little but hurt Norman a lot.

If a truth serum was put in me I would love to SLSC and Norman Combine. Problem is SLSC is on upward trend and Norman is on a downward. Maybe too many egos involved I don't know for sure though. What I do know is it would make a third super club in the state. SLSC has grown from around 400 kids in 2006 to almost 2000 this year. You combine, the 01s are very good and equal to OFC, 02s would be dominate, the 03s (Norman good on 03s) would be able to compete with Amos, the 04s would be very good (Norman has two 04s playing up to 03s and Rother will develop a few more), 05s would be incredible and 06s would be even better

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Re: Top 5 04 girls teams

Post by soccerschmuck on Thu Oct 02, 2014 3:44 pm

Your right times change, I just don't think they are changing the way you see it. But hey, maybe I am wrong. A lot could depend on the whole OFC to ECNL. It is also about more than doing well in state. It is about winning state. It is getting to play in PLW, RPL, National League and major showcase tournaments for non ECNL teams. Outside of TSC or OFC, the highest the others clubs usually get to play is PLW and that is not guaranteed. SLSC does not have any team in PLW at U14 or above. Most of what you said about the age groups I couldnt argue with because not real familar with most of the younger groups, and it has always been more competitive at the younger ages. This hasn't changed. However your 01 I would argue with - SLSC 3rd -4th best 01 team. TSC top 01 did not play state at U12 or U13. TSC and OFC already have almost all top 01 talent. Not sure you could combine any of the other clubs and still have much chance beating either.
Again I am not advocating for either club. But if you want a team that can compete at highest level outside of OKlahoma, then all the best girls need to be on one team on each side of state, if not on one team from all across the state. The more we fight this, then the less revelant Oklahoma teams are in soccer outside Oklahoma.

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Re: Top 5 04 girls teams

Post by archer on Thu Oct 02, 2014 4:04 pm

I bet SLSC04 moves over there in two years maybe three.

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Re: Top 5 04 girls teams

Post by ENERGYFC04 on Thu Oct 02, 2014 4:11 pm

anything is possible. I never say never. I don't know what the future of Oklahoma soccer holds as its evolving at lightning speed right now. Look at TSC, didn't they just come into existence in 2011? What I do know is my daughter is continually developing around coaches who know her and most importantly she has an infectious love of the game. A day doesn't go by that she doesn't touch a ball. Essentially, her needs are being met right now and why would I mess that up? Ten year old girls have enough on their plate.

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Re: Top 5 04 girls teams

Post by cosmos04 on Thu Oct 02, 2014 4:16 pm

Moves where? Ofc ?

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Re: Top 5 04 girls teams

Post by soccerschmuck on Thu Oct 02, 2014 4:27 pm

I will add one other thing for all the TOP/BEST girls on the west side. If OFC gets accepted to ECNL, you better join them as fast as you can! Because this much I am for sure of, ECNL is the way for all top female players to go.

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Re: Top 5 04 girls teams

Post by letthekidsplay on Thu Oct 02, 2014 4:32 pm

SLSC04 wrote:anything is possible.   I never say never.  I don't know what the future of Oklahoma soccer holds as its evolving at lightning speed right now.  Look at TSC, didn't they just come into existence in 2011?   What I do know is my daughter is continually developing around coaches who know her and most importantly she has an infectious love of the game.   A day doesn't go by that she doesn't touch a ball.   Essentially, her needs are being met right now and why would I mess that up?  Ten year old girls have enough on their plate.    

TSC and Hurricane merged to become TSCH in 2011, that is when they got accepted to ECNL, they had been around forever. Hurricane strong on girls side and TSC strong on boys side (if I remember correctly). So, no they didn't just come into existence in 2011. You have the right attitude about your daughter, she is happy, likes her coach and team and is developing. That is all that matters at U11. As it gets closer to U14, decide then what is best for her. In my experience, clubs (OFC/TSC) will want your money and if she can play, it will be easier to get her on a top team coming from another club, vs moving up. Look at the OFC 01's. Didn't they move girls down to their second team and take girls from NYSA at tryouts? Easier to get on top team from another club IMHO.

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Re: Top 5 04 girls teams

Post by cosmos04 on Thu Oct 02, 2014 4:34 pm

Moves where? Ofc ?

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Re: Top 5 04 girls teams

Post by TSCSOCCERDAD on Thu Oct 02, 2014 6:50 pm

To compare state results to make your case for or against TSC seems futile as the best TSC teams aren't playing in state cup. I think TSC wins all but maybe(maybe) one state cup if ECNL teams play 04-97's.
TSC typically never does better than 4th in ECNL. The talent pool is too deep in north texas. They are just better and the result would be the same for OFC. OFC may do better or worse, but judging by TSC results I'd say also no better than 4th.

All the SLSC and other OKC clubs are doing is watering down the talent pool on that side of the state. OFC is clearly the better club and has results to prove it. Until SLSC starts producing CONSISTENT results there is no argument. Not convinced- ask NEOFC-owasso, Blitz, WSA.

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Re: Top 5 04 girls teams

Post by archer on Thu Oct 02, 2014 7:14 pm

Well said brother.

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Re: Top 5 04 girls teams

Post by archer on Thu Oct 02, 2014 7:18 pm

"If you aren't going all the way, why go at all?" (Joe Namath.) And no Southlakes guy I don't want to get into competing quotes now either.

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Re: Top 5 04 girls teams

Post by sooner5 on Thu Oct 02, 2014 7:30 pm

Just wish ofc was more central in Okc. For a kid to drive from Norman or SWOKC to NW OKC it takes 45 min to 1 hr.

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