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Post by 04eastside on Sun Apr 30, 2017 2:07 am

Anytime there are "non-disclosure" agreements signed, which there were, but people still like talking. I seriously doubt if parents or members were informed with the exception of a few that are heavily involved with there clubs.

Prime example is this forum. I think it's she to easy there are parents are here heavily involved with clubs and dine that are not. There were several on here that had and still Gabe ni clue what's going to happen. However, I expect they will explain and sell whatever decision was made to the fullest, now that the decision is made.

Like I said, I genuinely hope it works out for ALL the youth that are playing soccer.

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Post by Yellowcard on Sun Apr 30, 2017 2:08 am

NeverPlayedSoccer wrote:Quick question, are any of these clubs that are making decisions of these magnitude talking and or communicating with their parents?  Are the parents that pay $ happy with these decisions?  Are they confused?  Does anyone really know what is going on?  Seems like a complete mess to me.

These parents aren't concerned... What are they missing out on? State Cup? Dead ODP? SRPL? Presidents Cup? Nah... it will be just fine. SRPL is already a 3rd tier for TSC anyway... Not too worried about that. ODP is worthless anyway. This will be a much better direction.
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Post by FootballDad05 on Sun Apr 30, 2017 2:14 am

Here is TSCH responding to their customers

Dear TSCH Families

We would like to take this opportunity to address a letter that was recently mass distributed by the current OSA President.

First, we would like to reassure our coaches and team(s) that they remain eligible for the upcoming USY State, Presidents Cup, Regionals, etc.

Player and coach development has and will continue to be our top priority. We are always exploring new and innovative ways to improve for the benefit of our players. Rest assured, any potential enhancements to our programming would be for the benefit and in the best interests of our players now and into the future.

We will keep our members informed of any potential programming enhancements in the future. Good luck to everyone in the upcoming State and President's Cups!!

Jim Tindell, Executive Director
Mark McIntosh, DOC
Kerry Shubert, ECNL Girls Director
Michael Nsien, ECNl Boys Director
John Rhein, Girls Director

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Post by NeverPlayedSoccer on Sun Apr 30, 2017 2:14 am

I was asking about parents in South Lakes and Norman...Seems like TSC is driving this crazy train.

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Post by FootballDad05 on Sun Apr 30, 2017 2:21 am

Everyone wants to jump on the moving train. Look its easy these clubs have players that want to play in an elite league like the ECNL both boys and girls and this is an avenue to get recognized and possibly become a Discovery player and play better competition on a regular basis. Staying in OPL and SRPL have become redundant and have allowed the clubs little flexibility. The inception of a new league with some new teams should liven up the interstate rivalries.

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Post by NeverPlayedSoccer on Sun Apr 30, 2017 2:27 am

TSC already had ECNL and turned down DA at the moment. Leaving OSA changes literally nothing for their elite teams. So adding ARK and KS teams on lower levels really improves over the existing OPL's and SRPL's? A new league for lower levels is groundbreaking how?

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Post by ENERGYFC04 on Sun Apr 30, 2017 2:28 am

I personally like mass chaos. However, I hate it for the state as a whole. I hate it for friends who will now be in competiting organizations who I know truly believe they are doing what's in the best interest for their chilr and Team.

Time will tell whether this was wise or folly. It's hard to think outside your team and look at it from a club and even a state perspective. My sincere hope is all clubs come out of this unscathed. I just dread the marketing from both sides that is forthcoming.

That said, I personally have no sympathy for many in OSA leadership. They have been non responsive and authoritarian for years. Now there are a few employees that this greatly pains me for because she has been a pleasure to deal with. My hope is these few do not suffer


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Post by NeverPlayedSoccer on Sun Apr 30, 2017 2:31 am

So is this about development or sticking it to OSA? Cause I have yet to see a logical reason of how expanding lower level leagues by adding ARK and KS teams is any different then sticking with the lower level leagues here in OK? Still doesn't make logical sense to me...

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Post by Yellowcard on Sun Apr 30, 2017 2:36 am

FootballDad05 wrote:Everyone wants to jump on the moving train. Look its easy these clubs have players that want to play in an elite league like the ECNL both boys and girls and this is an avenue to get recognized and possibly become a Discovery player and play better competition on a regular basis. Staying in OPL and SRPL have become redundant and have allowed the clubs little flexibility. The inception of a new league with some new teams should liven up the interstate rivalries.

Exactly!!!
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Post by NeverPlayedSoccer on Sun Apr 30, 2017 2:41 am

ECNL was there before. It's there now. That hasn't changed. Am I missing something? It's not like leaving OSA has suddenly made ECNL available...lol

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Post by SSD2004 on Sun Apr 30, 2017 2:45 am

NeverPlayedSoccer wrote:So is this about development or sticking it to OSA?  Cause I have yet to see a logical reason of how expanding lower level leagues by adding ARK and KS teams is any different then sticking with the lower level leagues here in OK?  Still doesn't make logical sense to me...

Funny, it makes perfect sense to me. OFC and Blitz (probably in conjunction with OSA) aligned with OKC Energy to try and gain market share in their existing cities. Blitz was looking for inroads into Tulsa and OFC to gain an even larger hand in south Oklahoma.

The other clubs counter moved. Whether it's a good one of bad one we will all see soon....


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Post by Yellowcard on Sun Apr 30, 2017 2:46 am

It's not about sticking it to anyone... But OSA sucks and this is how you get out from under their misdirection and fix things. It has nothing to do with ECNL. It has everything to do with fixing what is broken.
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Post by NeverPlayedSoccer on Sun Apr 30, 2017 2:48 am

SSD2004 So you are admitting this has zero to do with development and everything to do with power moves and butthurt adults?

very sad if this is true.

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Post by FootballDad05 on Sun Apr 30, 2017 2:49 am

NeverPlayed, sometimes the headaches associated with an organization like OSA that has no clear vision and offer no improvement have to be remediated. Some of these new clubs may be lean but with the ability to adjust and get help within the club led structure should lead to improvement overall within a few seasons. TSC also has Super Y as does Energy for a mid level playing league. ECNL for upper league. The lower league provides inclusion to the higher league according to talent level.

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Post by NeverPlayedSoccer on Sun Apr 30, 2017 2:51 am

I'm totally confused. How does OSA sucking impact the development of kids within their respective clubs? Is it OSA's job to coach all the teams in all the clubs? I thought OSA was just a glorified scheduler of leagues and tournaments and stuff. So getting out from OSA changes development across our state how?

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Post by SSD2004 on Sun Apr 30, 2017 2:53 am

NeverPlayedSoccer wrote:SSD2004  So you are admitting this has zero to do with development and everything to do with power moves and butthurt adults?

very sad if this is true.  

Ha ha. The only thing I will admit is I know nothing. All I was saying is nothing surprised me about this move and as a competitive business I can see why they would potentially do it. There are others on this board that obviously have much more insight.

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Post by FootballDad05 on Sun Apr 30, 2017 2:53 am

The question becomes if OSA is a glorified scheduler then why bother paying them for providing low quality leagues.

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Post by NeverPlayedSoccer on Sun Apr 30, 2017 3:00 am

FootballDad05 I have no idea! Seems like a website could do what OSA does to me, but what do I know. Blow up (figuratively) OSA then, not youth soccer all across the state! And maybe I'm crazy but I don't blame OSA for the level of leagues. That is up to the clubs to develop our youth. Our state population can only produce so many high quality teams/leagues. Help me understand how that is OSA's fault.

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Post by 04eastside on Sun Apr 30, 2017 3:00 am

The main point I think a lot of us are missing and is a major question, which I do not factually have an answer to. Which is, are the other clubs outside of OK that are participating in whatever form of league is about to happen, leaving their state organization? If there not, are THE unhappy with their state? Will they really push for end of season tournament for their league, when they have one? Which tier teams are they putting in this league? TSC will be fine. They have ECNL and composite thru champions league. In both those scenarios they have ECNL and NPL end of season tournaments. What happens when this league is done for the season, IF everyone other than OK uses this as a supplemental league.

Again, i don't know, factually, what other clubs are doing outside of OK, just rumors. They could be leaving there state organizations also, but would be good to know, to see how seriously they're going to take this league. Again, i think we can all agree TSC will be fine with ECNL and composite. What about the other clubs in OK.

Just thinking out loud.

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Post by Yellowcard on Sun Apr 30, 2017 3:12 am

NeverPlayedSoccer wrote:I'm totally confused.  How does OSA sucking impact the development of kids within their respective clubs?  Is it OSA's job to coach all the teams in all the clubs?  I thought OSA was just a glorified scheduler of leagues and tournaments and stuff.  So getting out from OSA changes development across our state how?

The only teams that are really going to be hurting are the ones that don't jump on board... I think more will follow and when things are better organized development will be better as well. Be smart and get on the train before it leaves the station. OSA dictates way too much in the way of where teams are allowed to play. Let's take TSC's 04 Griffin team for example. They would have zero development benefit from playing OPL this spring and OSA wasn't going to let them play state cup. Last year 03 Beattie played up a year and did awesome but weren't allowed to play SRPL because they didn't play their own age. These are two examples of OSA holding back development for teams that should have been give exception. There are many more examples of them holding teams back for the sake of ridiculous rules that can't or wouldn't be modified for the best. That's why people are leaving!
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Post by 918soccer on Sun Apr 30, 2017 3:22 am

I heard OFC was asked to join the new league and they turned it down. I know they are in bed with OSA but are the OFC/Blitz parents happy with this decision?


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Post by NeverPlayedSoccer on Sun Apr 30, 2017 3:23 am

Yellowcard, If that 04 TSC team was too good for the league, ie, wasting their time, then why play in the state cup? You would just slaughter them for no reason. Not sure how that hurt anyone's development. The 03 example is frustrating and is similar to what my daughter's team ran into last year. So instead of changing OSA, the solution is to completely fracture youth soccer in the state? Did TSC and OFC ever have one meeting or lunch to talk about this? Do TSC and OFC ever talk at all? Again, to me, this looks like a power move that really has nothing to do with development. If OFC and TSC really care about development, they should be working together...but I guess that's never going to happen...

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Post by Yellowcard on Sun Apr 30, 2017 3:30 am

NeverPlayedSoccer wrote:Yellowcard, If that 04 TSC team was too good for the league, ie, wasting their time, then why play in the state cup?  You would just slaughter them for no reason.  Not sure how that hurt anyone's development.  The 03 example is frustrating and is similar to what my daughter's team ran into last year. So instead of changing OSA, the solution is to completely fracture youth soccer in the state?  Did TSC and OFC ever have one meeting or lunch to talk about this?  Do TSC and OFC ever talk at all?  Again, to me, this looks like a power move that really has nothing to do with development.  If OFC and TSC really care about development, they should be working together...but I guess that's never going to happen...

It's obvious you didnt get my point. The 04 team isn't allowed to play in the 03!state cup or they would! That's one of many examples. Why doesn't OFC and Blitz just jump on board with everyone else??? Seems like TSC and the other clubs are doing the right thing here... OFC is holding their club and teams back. Why do TSC and SLSC and Norman and WSA have to follow the rules of OFC/OSA? Like I said earlier... the only ones hurt are the ones that don't join in! And they have the opportunity!!!
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Post by FootballDad05 on Sun Apr 30, 2017 3:31 am

When you play most of your best opponents out of state at competetive level and above it makes no sense to worry about the state of Oklahoma soccer above rec. level. Once competetive comes about it is about fielding the strongest team possible to compete against N Texas and nationally. The mid level teams have various leagues to compete in along with inter league play to develop and make possible upward moves.

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