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Post by Roughneck04 on Sat May 07, 2016 4:50 pm

The Soccer 1% wrote:It's not rubbish.  The thing is, I don't necessarily disagree with you.  I've been dealing with the game cards for the last few years.  I've seen it sporadically by TSC and OFC but only by a few teams.  Blitz doesn't have the number of teams that they had in the past.  In 2014 the limit wasn't three kids.  Blitz completely abused it and I watched it first hand on the girls side.  I've seen Blitz bring down players from a Gold team to an OCL game and run it up 10-0.  I have a friend who coaches boys and we've joked about Blitz's abuse of the player pass system.  He never mentioned TSC doing it with the boys but I'm sure it happens.

It is completely frustrating when Blitz/TSC/OFC brings a stud striker off of their Gold team to play in a Silver or an OCL game.  I completely think that the OSA needs to clarify the rule and disallow that.  I think we all should call for that change to take place.  Bring players from below in either age or league.  But, don't let them come from a higher league to play in a league game.  Tournaments?  Sure.  But, if we're going to use the league results for anything then these teams are tainting the standings.  

You don't have to agree with me. I know for a fact it's completely untrue on the girls side. You can keep spouting about it on this forum, but its complete bollucks. You can disagree, but you'd be wrong. I've seen the game cards for this age group for the last 3 years and it's simply not happening on the Blitz side. It has been happening frequently with TSC and sometimes with OFC (but very seldom) and that's not hearsay. That's me physically seeing the player cards over this time frame.

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Post by ENERGYFC04 on Sat May 07, 2016 5:07 pm

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The Soccer 1% wrote:It's not rubbish.  The thing is, I don't necessarily disagree with you.  I've been dealing with the game cards for the last few years.  I've seen it sporadically by TSC and OFC but only by a few teams.  Blitz doesn't have the number of teams that they had in the past.  In 2014 the limit wasn't three kids.  Blitz completely abused it and I watched it first hand on the girls side.  I've seen Blitz bring down players from a Gold team to an OCL game and run it up 10-0.  I have a friend who coaches boys and we've joked about Blitz's abuse of the player pass system.  He never mentioned TSC doing it with the boys but I'm sure it happens.

It is completely frustrating when Blitz/TSC/OFC brings a stud striker off of their Gold team to play in a Silver or an OCL game.  I completely think that the OSA needs to clarify the rule and disallow that.  I think we all should call for that change to take place.  Bring players from below in either age or league.  But, don't let them come from a higher league to play in a league game.  Tournaments?  Sure.  But, if we're going to use the league results for anything then these teams are tainting the standings.  

You don't have to agree with me.  I know for a fact it's completely untrue on the girls side.  You can keep spouting about it on this forum, but its complete bollucks.  You can disagree, but you'd be wrong.  I've seen the game cards for this age group for the last 3 years and it's simply not happening on the Blitz side.  It has been happening frequently with TSC and sometimes with OFC (but very seldom) and that's not hearsay.  That's me physically seeing the player cards over this time frame.
I will say that in my two years of seeing game cards TSC is the only club I have seen regularly take advantage of the CPP. I've seen Blitz play a girl up and OFC play a girl up one time. I think 90% of games with TSC teams has involved pCPP

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Post by The Soccer 1% on Sat May 07, 2016 5:12 pm

I've seen OFC and TSC do it in our age groups.

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Post by TSCSOCCERDAD on Sun May 08, 2016 5:22 am

If griffin is a gold team and Parker are a gold team it's more a lateral move. I guess what I'm trying to say is, if your DD team is playing against whoevers best players isn't that helping them get better? Some ECNL teams roster 25 girls and I really like that. I want my DD to play against/with the best players. I believe it makes her better. I think the reason blitz don't in 04 is because they don't have the numbers. From the blitz 03 boys perspective, they use the CPP like it's going out of style. I don't agree with playing down, but if you want to take griffin 4 best players and play them on Parker for whatever, league or tournament, I say advantage TSC! As long as, they are in a subbing capacity and not playing the lion share of the minutes

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Post by Yellowcard on Sun May 08, 2016 4:14 pm

TSCSOCCERDAD wrote:If griffin is a gold team and Parker are a gold team it's more a lateral move. I guess what I'm trying to say is, if your DD team is playing against whoevers best players isn't that helping them get better? Some ECNL teams roster 25 girls and I really like that. I want my DD to play against/with the best players. I believe it makes her better. I think the reason blitz don't in 04 is because they don't have the numbers. From the blitz 03 boys perspective, they use the CPP like it's going out of style. I don't agree with playing down, but if you want to take griffin 4 best players and play them on Parker for whatever, league or tournament, I say advantage TSC! As long as, they are in a subbing capacity and not playing the lion share of the minutes

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Post by The Soccer 1% on Sun May 08, 2016 6:13 pm

So Parker or griffin players playing for sharp would be inappropriate, right?

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Re: Blitz having IRS troubles???

Post by Yellowcard on Sun May 08, 2016 6:42 pm

No because they are about the same level skill wise...
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Post by Oakie75 on Sun May 08, 2016 7:06 pm

Agree 100% Yellow.
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Post by Yellowcard on Sun May 08, 2016 7:09 pm

I mean not every single one of them because there are better and worse on both teams... But if anyone says Sharps best players aren't as good as Griffins or Parkers worse players they would be lying to themselves. The difference comes down to having a full team of players vs a team with a few players. That's the case for many of the teams out there.
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Post by bird04 on Sun May 08, 2016 8:24 pm

Yellowcard wrote:I mean not every single one of them because there are better and worse on both teams...  But if anyone says Sharps best players aren't as good as Griffins or Parkers worse players they would be lying to themselves.  The difference comes down to having a full team of players vs a team with a few players.  That's the case for many of the teams out there.  

I can agree there, mostly...The question is, how many constitute the "best" players on Sharp that equal the "worst" on Griffin or Parker...that's what the coming week is for, I guess...Which reminds me to ask if anyone knows how the President's Cup final between Sharp and Stump came out? I think the President's Cup finals were going on today, too....

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Post by redcard on Sun May 08, 2016 8:51 pm

Stump won

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Post by Yellowcard on Sun May 08, 2016 9:00 pm

bird04 wrote:
Yellowcard wrote:I mean not every single one of them because there are better and worse on both teams...  But if anyone says Sharps best players aren't as good as Griffins or Parkers worse players they would be lying to themselves.  The difference comes down to having a full team of players vs a team with a few players.  That's the case for many of the teams out there.  

I can agree there, mostly...The question is, how many constitute the "best" players on Sharp that equal the "worst" on Griffin or Parker...that's what the coming week is for, I guess...Which reminds me to ask if anyone knows how the President's Cup final between Sharp and Stump came out? I think the President's Cup finals were going on today, too....

Well there is a bit of a slippery slope... For the topic this applies to its not about how many... The question was if it was ok for those players to guest with Sharp. And since there are some equal players I said yes.

As for the coming week... No that is for finding out who is the best at politics... We all know how it works. People have friends that put them in positions over other deserving players in many cases. So this coming week will be less than an honest assessment in my opinion.

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Post by FUBAR on Sun May 08, 2016 9:33 pm

While I hope you are wrong... that is definetly a concern.

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Post by Yellowcard on Sun May 08, 2016 9:37 pm

I have already heard about many people who are "buddies" with certain coaches in decision making positions. We will just see how it plays out. But I have seen it before when certain players that have no business playing over others get played for reasons of friendship, pocket lining, or potential sexual favors? Those are the best guesses.
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Post by Oakie75 on Sun May 08, 2016 9:43 pm

I should have gone in to soccer coaching....
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Post by redcard on Sun May 08, 2016 9:44 pm

I have seen it happen a few times!! With that said we have never experienced it. There are times if you are equally good as another player the player currently on team stays. Its awesome that the age group is so full of talent!!!

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Post by Yellowcard on Sun May 08, 2016 9:57 pm

Oh it happens for sure. But unfortunately that's a part of real life that is always there!
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Post by redcard on Sun May 08, 2016 10:09 pm

Very true

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Post by canester2002 on Mon May 09, 2016 2:44 am

I agree with "who you know and politics" play way too big of a role in youth sports, especially club soccer. If there ever could be a true point of demarcation as it applies to soccer, it's with the new age pure changes.
Congrats to all who had successful State and President's Cup's.

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Post by Yellowcard on Mon May 09, 2016 3:24 am

People still know people. It will never end!
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Post by The Soccer 1% on Mon May 09, 2016 2:17 pm

Yellowcard wrote:No because they are about the same level skill wise...
Then, we shouldn't use league standings for anything. Bring down 3 studs from Gold to Silver and see your lower level team be more successful and then promoted? Seems patently unfair. If teams were bringing down backups or role players to guest then it would be different. Shocker....they're not.

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Post by Yellowcard on Mon May 09, 2016 2:41 pm

I totally forgot about Sharp having an 04 team. Lol. I was thinking about the 03 team. And having 04s play up with them. But it happens and sometimes having 1-2 top players play down can rally a team to do and play better. But if you have 3-4 and they come in and dominate another team I don't agree with. 1-2 when there are 11 on the field is not always bad.
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Post by The Soccer 1% on Mon May 09, 2016 2:46 pm

Agree mostly. And, a top team will roster 15-17 players. Players 12-17 would be prime candidates to CPP so they can get some more game time. A back up goalie would be a good example. The CPP that I've seen is not that. They're center mids or forwards or center backs and are strong players. We use it but we bring up younger players to help fill in gaps that injuries have created.

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Post by 05GKdad_Tulsa on Mon May 09, 2016 3:37 pm

The Soccer 1% wrote:Agree mostly.  And, a top team will roster 15-17 players.  Players 12-17 would be prime candidates to CPP so they can get some more game time.  A back up goalie would be a good example.  The CPP that I've seen is not that.  They're center mids or forwards or center backs and are strong players.  We use it but we bring up younger players to help fill in gaps that injuries have created.  

I agree that players 12-17 are the best ones to use that...not sure how that could be enforced.

And center mids, forwards, and center backs are the players that are hardest to find. OFC or TSC may only have 2 of each position in an age group; and most years they have 5-6 teams.
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Post by The Soccer 1% on Mon May 09, 2016 4:03 pm

05GKdad_Tulsa wrote:
The Soccer 1% wrote:Agree mostly.  And, a top team will roster 15-17 players.  Players 12-17 would be prime candidates to CPP so they can get some more game time.  A back up goalie would be a good example.  The CPP that I've seen is not that.  They're center mids or forwards or center backs and are strong players.  We use it but we bring up younger players to help fill in gaps that injuries have created.  

I agree that players 12-17 are the best ones to use that...not sure how that could be enforced.

And center mids, forwards, and center backs are the players that are hardest to find. OFC or TSC may only have 2 of each position in an age group; and most years they have 5-6 teams.
That's when you bring in a wing from team A to play center mid on team B to see how they handle it. You don't just plop down a captain from Team A into Team B unless you're doing it for competitive purposes and not developmental purposes.

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