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Post by Pass and Move on Tue Apr 26, 2016 7:14 pm

Anybody had a look? I saw it recently and was a little surprised to see so many changes to field layout and upgrades to nets. I just wonder what it's gonna take to get things like real bathrooms.

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Post by Rainbow on Tue Apr 26, 2016 8:19 pm

Can't put real bathrooms there until they do it at MTSC South....

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Post by Pass and Move on Tue Apr 26, 2016 9:57 pm

It seems as though the sewage system is more "in place" at the South complex, what with the office being on the south side and a neighborhood on the north. The North complex has the school to the south and neighborhood to the north and west. I'm not 100% sure that the North complex is above sea level, tho. The question might be moot.

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Post by Roughneck04 on Wed Apr 27, 2016 5:34 am

Seems like the whole conversation is really moot. OSA issued a statement that TUSC violated it's own bylaws with the MTSC merger. Therefore, the MTSC/TUSC merger was disallowed. Looks like MTSC will only retain their original fields on the south side of Tulsa.

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Post by Pass and Move on Wed Apr 27, 2016 12:44 pm

Not all of us see those emails. So, (sincerely) thank you.

What bylaw was violated? The "don't ever sell out to the Man" clause? Furthermore, what's the reimbursement process?

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Post by nat on Wed Apr 27, 2016 1:59 pm

OSA in now interpreting bylaws and mergers?.... very impressive. Razz

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Post by Rainbow on Wed Apr 27, 2016 3:06 pm

OSA can not even publish their own current bylaws or follow those... Over the last few years huge swings... for instance; teams pick their own league, you can play up, no you can not play up, yes you can but you can only play up in the top division or wait now you have to start in the bottom division and work your way up, now you can not pick your own division etc.... what a joke over the last few years..... OSA manages a league... if you are not USYS and do not want to play in their league what power do they have over you?

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Post by 04eastside on Wed Apr 27, 2016 4:17 pm

"if you are not USYS and do not want to play in their league what power do they have over you?"...... You are probably right with this statement. Problem is, when the merger happened I believe they were, TUSC and not TUSC Inc, which they changed to AFTER the merger. TUSC at the time of the merger were USYS, therfore OSA does have power.. At the end of the day, I'm not an attorney and unfortunately I think this is where is heading. Just see what happens because BOTH sides claim there right. Messiness over youth soccer. CRAZY!

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Post by Rainbow on Wed Apr 27, 2016 4:27 pm

So I guess OSA could put them in a status of bad standing and not allow them to play in their leagues going forward. That should show them ....

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Post by 04eastside on Wed Apr 27, 2016 4:34 pm

I think your missing the point, or at least my point. I don't think this big mess is about the kids, i think this big mess is about space, the 41st&169 complex. It should be about the kids, which i think that is the perspective your coming from and think that should be true for all. At the end of the day, who controls that complex? Like i said, we'll see what happens.

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Post by 04eastside on Wed Apr 27, 2016 4:45 pm

End of the day, I'm being told one thing by my club and i 100% believe them. Others are being told something and they 100% believe who they're communicating with. That's why I concede this entire situation to "we'll see"

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Post by 918SoccerMom on Wed Apr 27, 2016 4:46 pm

Pass and Move wrote:Anybody had a look? I saw it recently and was a little surprised to see so many changes to field layout and upgrades to nets. I just wonder what it's gonna take to get things like real bathrooms.
Since this area is flood run off they cannot put in permanent bathrooms is what I have been told. Whoever decided that the area now labeled as 7A and 7B were good enough to use for the Lexus Cup or league games needs to not be in a position to make those decisions. That area is horrible. It makes the Westbank fields look like golf courses.

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Post by Roughneck04 on Wed Apr 27, 2016 6:30 pm

Rainbow wrote:OSA can not even publish their own current bylaws or follow those... Over the last few years huge swings... for instance; teams pick their own league, you can play up, no you can not play up, yes you can but you can only play up in the top division or wait now you have to start in the bottom division and work your way up, now you can not pick your own division etc.... what a joke over the last few years..... OSA manages a league... if you  are not USYS and do not want to play in their league what power do they have over you?

From what I understand USYS is the largest rec soccer program in America. I don't believe that US Club even messes with rec soccer. So in Oklahoma, it looks like all rec soccer flows through USYS and therefore OSA. So OSA is the governing body in making the final decision. I found the following findings regarding the merger on the OSA website:


1. Tulsa United has failed to comply with its Bylaw and Standing Resolutions with respect to the calling of general membership meetings for at least a two (2) year period. Tulsa United was requested to provide minutes of General Membership Meetings from 2014 to 2016, but declined to produce the same. Blitz members serving as directors of Tulsa United advised that they have not located any records of General Membership Meetings from 2014, 2015 or 2016 in their records.

2. The determination of the Executive Board to merge with another independent club, and other actions taken as set forth in the February 16, 2016, “Courtesy Notice” were outside of the scope of authority of the Executive Board, and are void.

3. Tulsa United as a Club may determine after proper presentation and vote of its general membership to dissolve Tulsa United, or to merge its club with Metro Tulsa or any other party, provided that a decision to that effect is made by its general membership, after proper notice of the matters to be considered and the time of the meeting, provided at such meeting all parties are afforded an opportunity to address the issue at the general membership meeting.

4. The purported resignation of Tulsa United from OSA does not deprive this Panel of jurisdiction to hear and determine the rights of players, coaches, and referees registered with the Federation through OSA. OSA has an inherent duty to protect the reasonable rights and expectancies of its players, coaches, and referees, and to assure that proper procedures and due process are followed in accordance with their rights and responsibilities.

5. The purported Courtesy Notice affects vested legal rights of Blitz arising under the Lease Agreement with the City of Tulsa and the unilateral action of a co-lessee to deprive Blitz of its rights as a lessee raise important legal issues. The Panel does not address these issues which appear to involve legal issues for resolution by a Court but, because the Panel determines that the merger and matters related thereto are void, the acts affecting the field lease agreements are also void. In the interest of assuring all parties

are informed, the Panel has directed that a copy of this decision be provided to the appropriate representative of the City of Tulsa as Lessor.

6. It is noted that the hierarchy of the Federation through those organized under it require resolution of soccer disputes within the soccer organization. Federation Bylaw No. 702 provides in Bylaw 707 – Litigation provides that “no Organization Member, Official, League, Club, Team, Player, Coach, Administrator, or Referee may invoke the aid of the courts in the United States or of a State without first exhausting all available remedies within the appropriate soccer organization. For a violation of the Bylaw, the offending party shall be subject to suspension and fines and be liable to the Federation for all expenses incurred by the Federation and its Officers, in defending such Court action. . .”

7. The stated Federation policy, although the Federation maintains its own rules governing grievances and dispute resolutions, is that the best process for resolution is by the governing organization closest to the issue, provided such resolution accords due process and fundamental fairness.

8. Both parties were afforded due notice and opportunity to be heard. Tulsa United elected not to exercise its right to be heard, but was accorded due process which it declined to utilize.

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Post by 04eastside on Fri May 20, 2016 4:29 pm

So I heard a JUDGE ruled today that noone can be on the Tulsa United fields for a couple weeks? If true, sounds like what some have been saying isn't true. This merger thing isn't final. Anyone else heard anything?

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Post by 04eastside on Fri May 20, 2016 5:07 pm

Court Order Regarding Bishop Tract Complex

On Friday May 20, 2016, Judge Dana L. Kuehn entered an Order prohibiting the use of the Bishop Tract Complex fields (referred to as the Tulsa United Fields) until June 6, 2016.

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Post by TSCSOCCERDAD on Fri May 20, 2016 5:28 pm

Maybe It's me making up the tone in my head, but the tone seems a little tense between OSA and TSC about this merger. I wonder if it's just simply that TSC didn't follow bylaws, you know cross their T's and dot their I's? Did someone from Tulsa United that is unhappy with merger call OSA? Guess what I'm getting at is, there has to be some legal reason for this. It can't just simply be OSA saying we don't want this merger "just because!". Or am I wrong.

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Post by Roughneck04 on Fri May 20, 2016 5:51 pm

Dang, what about the MTSC games this weekend and TSC combines and tryouts?  Looks like MTSC and TSC better scramble to reserve fields.  This judgement is a pretty big blow to the Tulsa United and MTSC/TSC merger and spring activities. affraid affraid

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Post by 04eastside on Fri May 20, 2016 6:50 pm

I don't know about "big blow" but it does go against the narrative that this merger was final.

TSCSOCCERDAD, that is the argument, that bylaws were not followed.

I think it was a haste/quick decision that was tried, to affect perception before pure age tryouts when everything was changing. It fed into the narrative. Blitz is having IRS troubles, Blitz is folding and see they even lost the rec side of their club. BEWARE before even thinking of going over there.

I know that might sound crazy but makes sense. Especially considering, if you wait until the end of the year and merge, noone at blitz can say anything because the partnership WAS on a yearly basis. Even if Blitz or any unhappy Tulsa United members were unhappy, you had a much easier route since no agreement would be in place.

But when you make quick decisions, sometimes it works out and sometimes it doesn't. Not saying either is 100% right, but the fact that NOONE is allowed to use the fields, means one side was 100% wrong assuming what they were trying to do with this merger was finalized and over.

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Post by ENERGYFC04 on Fri May 20, 2016 8:34 pm

I will say this. No one wins when lawyers and judges are forced into the mix. I personally think a judge is not going to be too happy about being thrust into the mix of youth sports and in particular (unless that judge is overtly familiar with club soccer) will not like the idea of one club taking over a whole metro area.

If you have ever read my posts you know I think OSA is ran by a bunch of incompetent @#$RE@# who can't make simple and right decisions to save their lives. That said, my understanding of the situation makes me happy OSA is trying to step up (presumably they hired counsel as well) and doing the right thing. The last thing people need is for TSC to set a precedent that we are going to say we are USCLUB when they want to skirt USYS rules but then turn around and avail themselves to the benefits of USYS. I think the USCLUB issue was one way in which TSC was trying to garner control on these fields.

In the end, Tulsa soccer will suffer by this. I hope all sides have clean closets as litigation will typically expose those hidden skeletons.

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Post by bird04 on Fri May 20, 2016 9:48 pm

ENERGYFC04 wrote:I will say this. No one wins when lawyers and judges are forced into the mix.   I personally think a judge is not going to be too happy about being thrust into the mix of youth sports and in particular (unless that judge is overtly familiar with club soccer) will not like the idea of one club taking over a whole metro area.  

If you have ever read my posts you know I think OSA is ran by a bunch of incompetent @#$RE@# who can't make simple and right decisions to save their lives.   That said, my understanding of the situation makes me happy OSA is trying to step up (presumably they hired counsel as well) and doing the right thing.  The last thing people need is for TSC to set a precedent that we are going to say we are USCLUB when they want to skirt USYS rules but then turn around and avail themselves to the benefits of USYS.   I think the USCLUB issue was one way in which TSC was trying to garner control on these fields.

In the end, Tulsa soccer will suffer by this.  I hope all sides have clean closets as litigation will typically expose those hidden skeletons.

She is!

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Post by 05GKdad_Tulsa on Tue May 24, 2016 9:28 pm

I saw an interesting email today (1 hour old)... that says TSC is holding combine @ MTSC North @5:30 tonight. And that the club will send out information if a change occurs.

Mess with OSA. No worries.

Don't think I'd mess with a judge though.

Seems TSC & OSA/Blitz still have different interpretations.
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Post by ENERGYFC04 on Tue May 24, 2016 9:31 pm

Umm yeah. not wise if defying a judges and OSA order. You catch more flies with honey than you do with vinegar But hey they big #### god (spelt with little g of course) in the sky tells you to do something you do it right?

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Post by Roughneck04 on Mon May 30, 2016 2:36 am

Looks like TSC isn't going to mess with the judge's restraining order during tryouts. I saw they moved all of their tryout sessions off of MTSC North to different complexes.

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