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Re: Age Pure 05

Post by Gatorade95 on Wed Jun 01, 2016 12:37 pm

NeverPlayedSoccer wrote:Gatorade95, out of curiosity...what age do you think is an acceptable age to start playing 11v11 on a real field with real goals?

U14/U15 range.



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Re: Age Pure 05

Post by Gatorade95 on Wed Jun 01, 2016 12:38 pm

Roughneck04 wrote:
NeverPlayedSoccer wrote:Gatorade95, out of curiosity...what age do you think is an acceptable age to start playing 11v11 on a real field with real goals?

Just to put it out there, most European academies don't start 11v11 till U14.  They progress from 5v5 to 7v7 to 9v9 to finally a full side.  With each change the field gets a little bigger.  They focus on the smaller side games to push individual growth and not winnings tactics.  I'm not saying that they're not learning to tactics, but it isn't the primary focus.  They also limit the amount of games a team can play in a year (normally no more than 30 games a year).  The focus is on practice (5-6 days a week), creativity and making mistakes.  In my opinion, this is why European academies consistently produce the world's best talents.

100% agree.

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Post by NeverPlayedSoccer on Thu Jun 02, 2016 1:45 am

I can't speak to the validity of European academies and their training philosophies but they produce the world's best soccer talent because those nations care about soccer.  Have you ever driven through TX on a Friday night in the fall?  High Schools aren't building multi-million dollar stadiums and filling them up for soccer.  How many D1 colleges even have mens soccer?  All of the biggest, fastest, strongest, and talented youth of America are not playing soccer like all the other nations of the world.  If we did away with all those other sports, America would be the best soccer playing nation on the planet.  I'm not sure comparing USA soccer with Europe is an apples to apples comparison.  I'm just saying the fact that we don't produce talent in the USA probably has very little to do with whether or not kids start playing 11v11 at age 12-14...just my observations.

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Re: Age Pure 05

Post by ENERGYFC04 on Thu Jun 02, 2016 3:38 pm

You can't put Europe in a box and say that all U11 and U12 players only play 9 v 9 and only start playing 11 v 11 at U14. In Europe kids play up, play according to biology (that is how fast they mature) and frankly watch and understand the game much better than here. In other words, an 11 year old may be playing more 11 v 11 depending on their abilities. My opinion is simple, some can play and are too big for 9 v 9 fields whereas others aren't.

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Post by Roughneck04 on Thu Jun 02, 2016 10:39 pm

ENERGYFC04 wrote:You can't put Europe in a box and say that all U11 and U12 players only play 9 v 9 and only start playing 11 v 11 at U14.  In Europe kids play up, play according to biology (that is how fast they mature) and frankly watch and understand the game much better than here.   In other words, an 11 year old may be playing more 11 v 11 depending on their abilities.   My opinion is simple, some can play and are too big for 9 v 9 fields whereas others aren't.

Actually, very few European kids in academies play up. Playing up is reserved for a very select few. Look into the "golden age of Belgium" that is going on right now and how they completely overhauled their academies and youth system. Belgium has a total population of around 10 million and let's assume 25% of those are boys playing soccer (high estimate). Well, there are 2.5 million youth boys registered playing soccer players in the US right now and we don't produce near the quality of players that tiny Belgium produces. It's because their small-sided ball skills driven training system produces players that have higher technical skills and higher soccer IQ. Also, look at the Ajax academy. They've consistently produced some of the top players in the world by concentrating on the Dutch system of small sided games.

It's true that most of our top athletes aren't playing soccer, but our system of rushing everyone to 11v11 just doesn't work. Smaller sides equals more touches and a faster pace. Which makes players make decisions faster and develops technical dribbling skills. The proof is in the pudding. Just look at the players that are coming out academies that focus on small sided soccer.

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Re: Age Pure 05

Post by TSC010405 on Fri Jun 03, 2016 2:50 pm

In the US our boys and best athletes are not drawn to soccer like in other countries. Basketball, Football and Baseball have our best male athletes. Soccer has grown but will never reach the status of those other sports here in the US. Girls have less options for obvious reasons.

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Re: Age Pure 05

Post by FootballDad05 on Tue Jun 14, 2016 7:18 pm

It will be interesting this year with the jr ecnl league in N Texas and TSC taking play in interleague over OSA play, eventually these changes should be beneficial in providing better competition for advancement into full ECNL.

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Re: Age Pure 05

Post by FootballDad05 on Fri Jun 17, 2016 6:00 pm

Any new info for those of us TSC 05's, hint hint not EnergyFC04 posters?

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Re: Age Pure 05

Post by FootballDad05 on Fri Jun 17, 2016 6:02 pm

I wonder who is sposoring the 05 jr ecnl team? I like the fact there will be no need to fundraise.

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Re: Age Pure 05

Post by FootballDad05 on Fri Jun 17, 2016 6:03 pm

Any other 05 Beattie parents on this board?

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Re: Age Pure 05

Post by ENERGYFC04 on Fri Jun 17, 2016 6:04 pm

cheers

Bravo. My recommendation would be to talk to the manager or coach Very Happy

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Re: Age Pure 05

Post by TSC010405 on Fri Jun 17, 2016 6:04 pm

I'm an 05 Beattie parent.

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Re: Age Pure 05

Post by FootballDad05 on Sun Jun 26, 2016 11:15 pm

Beattie05 Jr ECNL will be playing OPL and Jr ECNL league in the fall. Who will the competition be this year in OPL?

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Re: Age Pure 05

Post by canester2002 on Mon Jun 27, 2016 3:57 pm

FootballDad05 wrote:Beattie05 Jr ECNL will be playing OPL and Jr ECNL league in the fall. Who will the competition be this year in OPL?

Depends if you are playing 9v9 (true age) or up given Carreno earned a gold spot in 11v11 playing up.

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Re: Age Pure 05

Post by ENERGYFC04 on Mon Jun 27, 2016 4:08 pm

I think the 05 Beattie girls will be about 4th out of top 5 teams. I expect SLSC, ofc, blitz, wsa, Norman and neofc to be slightly ahead of them.

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Re: Age Pure 05

Post by TSC010405 on Mon Jun 27, 2016 4:11 pm

ENERGYFC04 wrote:I think the 05 Beattie girls will be about 4th out of top 5 teams.  I expect SLSC, ofc, blitz, wsa, Norman and neofc to be slightly ahead of them.

11v11 or 9v9?

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Re: Age Pure 05

Post by ENERGYFC04 on Mon Jun 27, 2016 4:13 pm

9 v 9 of course.

On a serious note, i don't know how OSA could let these teams play up without creating an utter mess.

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Re: Age Pure 05

Post by sooner5 on Mon Jun 27, 2016 5:17 pm

I really hope OSA makes everyone play their true age bracket this whole year. Then let teams play up next year based on how well they do this year.

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Post by FootballDad05 on Mon Jun 27, 2016 6:22 pm

So Energy04 you believe that the TSCH Beattie05's will come in 4 to last place compared to all the other club teams that had to form true age this season? Interesting, don't see it wih the talent on the team but we'll see.

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Re: Age Pure 05

Post by sooner5 on Mon Jun 27, 2016 7:01 pm

FootballDad05 wrote:So Energy04 you believe that the TSCH Beattie05's will come in 4 to last place compared to all the other club teams that had to form true age this season? Interesting, don't see it wih the talent on the team but we'll see.

So Beattie05's played last year as true age? Who coached them?

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Re: Age Pure 05

Post by FootballDad05 on Mon Jun 27, 2016 7:03 pm

Amanda Corrino

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Re: Age Pure 05

Post by FootballDad05 on Mon Jun 27, 2016 7:05 pm

Mostly, there are 2-3 players from other teams inside TSCH but the core group were Amanda's

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Re: Age Pure 05

Post by sooner5 on Mon Jun 27, 2016 7:15 pm

IMO. OFC 05's returns 7-8 girls off last years team. NYSA returns 5-6 off last years team. I would think those two teams will start off the year as two to give you the most competition.

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Re: Age Pure 05

Post by ENERGYFC04 on Mon Jun 27, 2016 7:46 pm

FootballDad05 wrote:So Energy04 you believe that the TSCH Beattie05's will come in 4 to last place compared to all the other club teams that had to form true age this season? Interesting, don't see it wih the talent on the team but we'll see.
Absolutely. I think they will struggle. A review of the various recruiting services and my conversations with the USWNT scouts makes no mention of TSC players (we know how the USWNT scouts are drooling over the 04s) this age so I assume they are very average.

Laughing

On a serious note this whole age group will make major adaptations to the 9 v 9 game combined with smaller fields and bigger girls i think there will be surprise results. It will be more difficult to score in light of bigger kids on smaller field and some teams will simply bash other teams with large kids.

Also, TSC's strength has always been there 10 - 15 players, not necessarily their starters when comparing to other clubs. This could negate that strength a bit. All age groups are going to be fun to watch.

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Re: Age Pure 05

Post by FootballDad05 on Mon Jun 27, 2016 8:24 pm

Its so hard to get honest answers from people when there are clowns on this board. Maybe people with some real information to share concerning 05's not people that should post on the 04 board. Some people need attention so badly.

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